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There is a battle going on in the world not many people know about. But there is a pretty large community of people working on alternative energy concepts that seem to violate some big laws in physics. Both camps acuse each other that they uphold or break the law just to gain a profit. Well, my money is on the people who haven't made any profit as of yet. Like this Stan Meyers who (also) died a mysterious death at a young age.





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innovatedaudio, on 5/11/2006 5:37:10 PM
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lol, did anyone see his logo? I bet his car works great, but only if you have faith.
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ti2d, on 5/11/2006 5:38:55 PM
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http://www.waterfuelcell.org/

check that out, the vid works
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scalarpotential, on 5/11/2006 5:39:31 PM
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You can see this guy in the documentary Equinox - it runs on water.avi

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also: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2464139837181538044&pl=true )

This is not just one guy and if he could find an investor we would be driving on our drinks. This is an ongoing battle since nikola tesla lit our world...
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jackanape, on 5/11/2006 5:52:19 PM
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jay leno has a car that runs on steam. granted it's old, but it does work.

and just because his website sucks doesn't mean it's not a feasable idea. they laughed at the wright brothers too. shouldn't discredit everything you don't understand. just think the guy was some dude making junk out of spare parts. think of what some specialized MIT nerds could come up with given access to a metal shop and a budget.

they said they couldn't build an efficient electric car either and that seems to be proven otherwise now.
up until the web came along, it would be easy to supress undisclosed technology. now you can find all sorts of 'conspiracy' stuff that may or may not be really feasible.
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jp, on 5/11/2006 5:59:05 PM
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I have an update to what I said earlier.

I actually watched the video and if what he said was correct then water supply wouldn't be an issue. he said using salt water would have no adverse effect on the fuel cell. Makes me wonder though, IF it were true does he have some sort of salt release?
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frsrblch, on 5/11/2006 6:21:50 PM
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When you can explain to me where this energy is coming from, I'll think about considering the possibility that you may be telling the truth, but until then, you're just a kook.

"Remember how the Segway was the best invention since the car?"

Whoever said it wasn't? Those things are awesome!
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jp, on 5/11/2006 6:39:55 PM
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Well, there is some interesting stuff in that video scalarpotential. It has to do with Zero point energy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_point_energy

As far as the general public knows, there is no way of tapping this energy. In this video, they explain how he did get patents for producing hydrogen that was much different then regular electrolysis which uses more energy then it makes as draco states.

The theory is that by using electricity by pulsing it 20,000 times a second and who knows what other techniques he may have used, somehow he is tapping into zero point energy. Therefore the law of conservation of energy that draco mentioned is being maintained. It isn't creating more energy then what was put into it, instead it's releasing the potential energy of zero point energy into a form that can be used in our world.

That is the theory in a nutshell.


The zero point energy is kind of like oil, we use much less energy getting oil out of the ground then the oil can create when we release it's energy.

Also in the video they were talking about how there was enough zero point energy in the bottom of a coffee cup to evaporate all the oceans on the earth, so it would be virtually unlimited source of energy a source that would couldn't use up even if we tried.
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Manip, on 5/11/2006 6:49:53 PM
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Why is this classified under Science? If you read though his site and look at his 'plans' (lol!) anyone with even 101 electronics and psychics could tell you it doesn't make any sense.

He even claims on the site that others haven't been able to reproduce it (Shocked?).
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jp, on 5/11/2006 6:56:34 PM
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When he says others have not been able to reproduce it, is that because they are trying to do it without all the equipment and knowledge he possesses? Or did he give them all the plans all the equipment and settings they would need?
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acknot, on 5/11/2006 7:27:34 PM
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I love how quick people are to believe shit like this.

If that thing is truly running on hydrogen derived from electrolysis, then it has batteries on board or some other kind of power creating electricity. No true reproducible experiment has ever been conducted where you get out more power then you put in.
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