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Former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan Craig Murray says the alleged transatlantic liquid bomb plot is staged-managed propaganda on behalf of Bush and Blair - who yearn for a "new 9/11" to absolve them of domestic political trouble.





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fajah, on 8/21/2006 3:09:24 AM
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@scott
now when u use the "f" word in front of mecca....how do u expect someone not to bomb your bitch ass
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bpv1, on 8/21/2006 12:40:39 PM
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If the US gov't is really pulling all the strings and everything is a conspiracy. Then why did they not just plant WMD's in Iraq and make themselves look really good? Doesn't make sense huh? That would have been so easy to do compared with things like 9/11....keep dreaming and hoping you conspiracy idiots...
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The5thElephant, on 8/21/2006 1:54:03 PM
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Let me put it simply and realistically without flaming anyone and without using a thousand exclamation marks or capitals.

- The terrorists were real and are real.

- The government overhypes every single threat so they can have more power over us.

It is not a conspiracy. But neither is the government innocent of wrong-doing. It is stupid to claim there aren't any terrorist threats and that they are all government concoctions. However it is also blatantly obvious that the governments of the US and UK are power-hungry propaganda-spewing freedom-killers.

They know that terrorists could still hijack a plane with the materials already onboard (hot coffee, plastic utensils, plastic bags, etc.), the security increases are just to appease that portion of the public that likes to be appeased and doesn't actually look into things.
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The5thElephant, on 8/21/2006 1:55:49 PM
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Let me put it simply and realistically without flaming anyone and without using a thousand exclamation marks or capitals.

- The terrorists were real and are real.

- The government overhypes every single threat so they can have more power over us.

It is not a conspiracy. But neither is the government innocent of wrong-doing. It is stupid to claim there aren't any terrorist threats and that they are all government concoctions. However it is also blatantly obvious that the governments of the US and UK are power-hungry propaganda-spewing freedom-killers.

They know that terrorists could still hijack a plane with the materials already onboard (hot coffee, plastic utensils, plastic bags, etc.), the security increases are just to appease that portion of the public that likes to be appeased and doesn't actually look into things.
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fugu, on 8/21/2006 4:23:48 PM
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"the security increases are just to appease that portion of the public that likes to be appeased and doesn't actually look into things."

Yes, then you will be pleased to hear as a direct result of the governments safety and comfort measures passengers refused to fly on a plane because 2 guys on it with dark skin wearing leather jackets (too warm for leather) looked funny and suspicious. I bet I'd really be thanking them after they delayed the flight for 3 hours eventually leaving with only half the original number of passengers.

The 2 guys were subjected to unecessary questioning before flying to Manchester one can only suppose the passengers who refused to fly are now safe and sound back home in Salem where they belong.
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fugu, on 8/21/2006 4:35:21 PM
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"... and the bombs that exploded in the London underground last year?"

Were successful and no intelligence detected the possibility of the threat. Hence I reiterate second guessing is pointless, but more interesting is we accept the fact that it is impractical and pointless to police the buses and tube with same vigour we are using at the airport.

"... and the 25% of UK muslims that believe the bombs were justified?"

Clearly thats an immigration issue not a terrorist one

... and the multitude of other bombs that have been?

Refresh my memory of all the other bombs detonated by terrorists in the UK since the 7/7 incident.

... and the muslims slaughtering the muslims in Iraq?

Yes terrible but a matter for the Iraqi police not the british police

- just wait 'till one of the bombs goes off real close to you then tell me you are willing to accept the terror threat.

I was in tottenham ct rd the day the IRA detonated a bomb in Marks and Spencer the next day I walked past the site on my way to work, Thats why I see the pointless fuss being made to avert something the security forces have no idea as to when or where is going to occur.

Airport security is pefectly good enough the way it was before recent events - I reitierate to you that force of will is the governing factor here not clever detective work another terrorist device will explode on the UK mainland nothing will prevent that. In the meantime you need to keep security measures in perspective
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solid12345, on 8/21/2006 10:57:26 PM
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Not unlike the terror Muslim Imams and clerics feed their ignorant masses everyday, like Jews cannabilizing children on the Sabbath or the "conspiracy" to destroy Islam by the west (if we wanted to destroy Islam we would have nuked Mecca by now)
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suffer1989, on 8/22/2006 12:40:05 AM
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To all anti-Muslim/arab-people flaming on and on about how muslims and their religeon is the cause of all this violence please read about Islam before criticizing it.I my self am a (Moderate) Muslim.let me put things into perspective using some examples of the recent Lebanon-Israel War. Imagine a family taking shelter in an apartmet during an Israel air-raid.Unknowingst to them at 10,000 feet an israel bomber releases guided bombs towards the appartment (apparently to kill some Hezbullah Chap).The family (like so many others in the building)huddles in terror as they hear the bombs fall close and closer.Three days later the eldest son wakes up in a hospital with machines strapped to his bode supporting his battered body.Here he learns that his family has been killed.In the following days he recieves news of members of his extended family being killed.After he recovers he goes to attend the funeral of his Parents, siblings, and friends that have been killed during the bombing.He later learns that the bombes droppet from the israli planes are supplied by America. In the news America(BUSH) supports israels action.

This child like many others will grow with the deepening feeling of vengence towards america and may even plan to launch attacks on american soil/People.

This is not a story.There have been many cases of this happening in Other arab nations due to American warfare.

I am not blaming the american people buth rather their foreign policy and the actions of their goverments.
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torchwood34, on 8/22/2006 3:19:24 AM
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Did any one see the news article about faulty airplanes?
Apparently they have been making planes with the wrong typ of steel for over ten years.
The whole terrorist angle is kind of killing two birds with one stone.

There are a shit load of unstable planes are flying around that need to be taken out of action.
The best way without permanently traumatizing the public with the incompetence of aerospace engineers is another form of terror.
Well it certainly helped in the war effort. The whole terror thing pretty much helped all the way round (on a one sided political basis).

Being an engineer I can tell you that one of the hardest mistakes to make is using the wrong steel specification on a job more than once.
It's checked so many times by so many different departments the very notion of it being a genuine mistake is ridiculous.

Unless someone planed it. The reason we don't have planes falling out of the air is down to the fault designer knew the planes safe working parameters. If a planes structural integrity dose fails and explodes there's a good cover story
Know you will see planes going out of commission and newer, better, bigger, stronger, smarter planes coming to the sky. It's nice that even when you fuck up you still get paid to do it again.

Every time you buy anything mechanical it's designed to fuck up after warranty
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torchwood34, on 8/22/2006 3:37:33 AM
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@suffer1989

Dude your not going to get thru to them.
During the whole Israel Lebanon thing, when Israel was committing genocide and Hezbollah was giving them a royal arse kicking.

Most of us figured out they were Jews, not normal Jews but the vilest, filthiest, dirtiest, ugliest Jews of them all, they are Israeli and pro Israel Jews.

You can't talk logic with that scum so don't bother trying.

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