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   Posted by HockeyGod  Promoted 283 days 2 hours ago  3935 views  editorial  

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The airlines are trying to cut costs by reducing the size of their spoons. I think they could save more money by firing the asshat who came up with that idea.





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Dystopian, on 6/9/2009 12:55:29 PM
Total Posts: 63, Joined: 7/1/2008
I totally agree. The drinks for a short flight are stupid. They could also fluctuate prices for the how much you weigh. Like if you are 250 or above, you need to pay a premium to get on the flight.
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Vdubb, on 6/9/2009 1:10:09 PM
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Don't forget they even stopped painting the outside of planes for some of the smaller airlines. a can of paint is pretty heavy,think about a 747 fully painted.
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quincy0191, on 6/9/2009 1:23:31 PM
Total Posts: 676, Joined: 4/14/2006
HockeyGod wrote:
that life jacket is going to be a hell of a lot more useful than my can of diet Shasta.


YOU DOUBT THE POWER OF CITRUS? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkXJeCCr0fI

I can't understand why they're not making hybrid engines for jets yet, or why they aren't covering the top of them in solar panels. I mean, these things fly ABOVE the clouds, and they've got all that surface area on the wings. Seriously, you could save a ton of fuel by not using it to light up the cabin/cockpit/outside lights.

Then there's the gliding thing. Planes can glide for a LONG FUCKING TIME (see: Gimli Glider http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_glider), and it can be done safely and efficiently. Instead of using the jet engines to power the flight all the way there, then using them again to slow the goddamned thing down enough to land it, gliding it in would save fuel and actually make for a more pleasant experience (less sudden drops and turning). Of course, it would require a LOT more training for pilots and wouldn't work at all airports (some of them have buildings around, and you'd need enough open space to come in at a low angle), but for a lot of flights I imagine it would save a ton of fuel.
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damasterwc, on 6/9/2009 4:23:41 PM
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solar panels are fucking heavy and inefficient. batteries are heavy too. fuel has a high amount of energy stored chemically which is why it's used over batteries. gliders and solar/electric type planes will fly really slowly.

we should just get rid of them all together. we can have super efficient maglev trains that go inside of neutrally buoyant tunnels underwater that evacuate the air to create a partial vacuum allowing for travel in excess of 4000 mph (6400 km/hr).

end the bailout and build this. we'll have true wealth, not paper fake assets preserved at some fake ass value.
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Immaculate1, on 6/9/2009 6:08:29 PM
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I agree with damasterwc about almost everything he says.

Solar panels and the batteries needed are both too heavy to be an option on board a plane. Second, the amount of energy needed to make the dynamos rotate to create the energy for the plane's on board systems is really minute compared to the energy needed to propel the plane.

The problem with quincy's idea of gliding is that the plane will slow down as soon as the engines are cut. This will make travel a lot slower, especially when you're on longer flights like across the ocean. Furthermore, the plane will loose height and has to climb again which will also cost more fuel than a straight flight. Also, powering the engines up costs a large amount of fuel, let alone the safety concerns. What if they suddenly refuse in mid-air?

I am a fan of (maglev)) trains, in any form, because trains run much more efficiently than airplanes. The maglev principle eliminates ground friction which, coupled with a good aerodynamic design of the train, can open up speeds of a plane or even faster. If you put this in a vacuum tube, then theoretically there are speeds possible that go beyond our imagination. Engineers talk about speeds of 5000 to 7000 km/h.

On land I see this happening with great ease, and should be the way to organise transport. But at see, as damasterwc mentions, with floating tubes, I doubt that will happen anytime soon. Even if the technology exists, it will be much too dangerous for the travelers.

Consider a tube from Europe to the States, a couple of thousand miles long, all vacuum. What happens if you get an accident? A train malfunctions and stop right in the middle of the tube. Fire perhaps. Like we've seen with the Channel tunnel. It would be a death trap. Boats and submarines could collide with the tube and tear it. Heck, even a drunken whale could cause disaster. Let alone people with evil things in mind. Or the planet itself with tsunamis, underwater currents, earthquakes or volcanic eruptions.

I don't see a solution for all these risk factors anytime soon, unless you would make an immensely sturdy construction (ie built a fort out of it). All in all it would be financially unfeasible. Even most low end analyses for the most basic trans-atlantic tube predict a cost of 1 billion dollar per kilometer. I on the other hand predict that if the real thing would be build, the cost would be 50 to 100 times as much.
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damasterwc, on 6/9/2009 6:46:27 PM
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I'm glad we're finally in agreement :P

NYC to London is projected to cost between $50-100 billion for such a tunnel. I think the danes developed the concept of these tubes? At any rate, it could go over land where possible to minimize underwater travel, rather than just taking a direct path.
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GaaaaaH, on 6/9/2009 7:15:53 PM
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Wouldnt 1 sick bag er section be better? One wtihin easy reach with more on request.
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lankthetank, on 6/9/2009 10:57:47 PM
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Back to the earlier point. The "smaller spoons" may be justified with an added benefit of lowered costs for utensils considering the following:

-The airline produces its own spoons
-The airline produces enough spoons so that it makes better economic sense than to purchase from an outside supplier.

Although, this is probably like picking pepper out of fly-shit. It's scrimping and saving when larger implementations can be made.


Aside from fuel economy, the biggest cost saver would be overhauling the scheduling system. Its inefficiency not only costs millions a year (every flight has empty seats...not just those from "no shows"), but causes general inconvenience for customers. Of course, addressing these problems would cause about a month of issues dealing with errors in the system, employee training, and more (new scheduling would require ALL employees to undergo changes...from the Pilot to the ticket register to the baggage handlers). This cost would make stocks plummet for that period, downsizing would occur, and at first, the idea would appear to be a terrible idea. In the longrun, scheduling and booking overhaul would be beneficial.

As for the maglev people, unfortunately, planes will not be phased out in the next 50 or even 100 years (in the US). Do not expect them to be used any less than they are now in the next 20 years EVEN WITH the existance of a mag lev. There is too much invested, privately AND publicly in air travel for that shift to be made.

In Europe, however, this change can come quickly. Since there is a large amount of existing tracks and publicly owned land aside them, it would be simple to build over, or aside existing tracks.

And European airlines are heavily subsidized by the government. Switching primarily to high-speed rail (which is gradually happening, as everyone knows) is, at least for Europe, an economically smart decision.


Also, very good ed. Shouted.
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BlueMarlin1, on 6/9/2009 11:46:18 PM
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great editorial, shouted. Also, what about swapping heavy parts in the plane with light plastics (preferably something strong like the materials in nalgene bottles). Some heavy parts could be the arm rests, bathroom doors, drink carts, some seat components. Seems like everything inside but the cockpit door could be made with light but durable and sturdy plastics that would save thousands of lbs per flight.

Also the train idea is pretty smart. It would work well in Europe and in the us but connecting the two continents would be tough.
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raspliffarian, on 6/10/2009 2:19:46 AM
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the infrastructure required for a cross ocean train system is staggering...

buckypaper aircraft seems more practical
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