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The Four Generations of Warfare   

   Posted by Kinderplatz  Promoted 129 days 11 hours ago  3610 views  editorial  

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A brief overview of the Generational Model of warfare proposed in 1989, the consequences of which are playing out today in places like Iraq and Afghanistan.





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scout, on 11/10/2009 12:51:11 PM
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Good job on your first ed.
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Mango, on 11/10/2009 1:12:46 PM
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Based on the interpretation regarding 4GW, it sounds like the only solution to that kind of enemy would be capitulation or genocide. In the civil rights example, capitulation was chosen [ Thankfully ]. But then again I don't remember Black People ever threatening to kill every White Person they find and spread their blackness to every corner of the world via the sword. Do you have another way to deal with an enemy like Hamas or other 4GW enemy? As in, if you were a military state entity, how would you go about dealing with something like that?

Also, good editorial. Interesting perspectives on war.. without being too political.
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Kinderplatz, on 11/10/2009 2:25:51 PM
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"Do you have another way to deal with an enemy like Hamas or other 4GW enemy?"

You would have to create a rift between the Hamas-like entity and the population from which they draw their recruits. The current solution to doing is the creation of strong state institutions so there is no reason for a non-state group, like Hamas, to exist except as that of extremists shunned by the local population. 4GW entities flourish best in failed states. The somewhat amusing result of the most recent elections in the Palestinian territory, when Hamas, a non-state 4GW entity suddenly became a nation-state like organization was probably the best thing for the peace process as it suddenly catapulted Hamas into a position of legitimate nation-state status. Viewed as legitimate from the view of the people due to their resistance against Israel and the dispensation of local relief efforts and legitimate to the Western world as they won this position according to the rules of our game. What this then meant is that it would have been in Israel's best interest to negotiate with them, rather than antagonize them further. The greatest allies of nation-states against 4GW entities are other nation-states. This is why it makes no sense for the United States to regard China as its greatest military rival, as both countries are equally susceptible to the rise of 4GW entities. It is, in fact, already happening here in the US in the ghettos. Here we see a group of people for whom the state means absolutely nothing and as a result they have transferred their loyalties to another entity, the gang. There have already been news stories of disaffected veterans returning from Iraq, having been exposed to 4GW and selling IED know-how to domestic gangs.

The tricky part, and I'll use Israel and the United States as an example, is that a country like Israel or the US has to have an almost hidden presence in the effort towards the creation of a strong state. Part of the reason Muqtada Al Sadr is so popular in Iraq is because he doesn't deal with the US directly, and therefore isn't viewed as being either a collaborator or a puppet. Israel is facing the same conundrum in it's dealings with Hamas and other terrorist organizations.

I guess to boil it down to its essence you have to create a reason for people to live, rather than want to go out and kill their neighbor. Hopelessness and lack of economic mobility are two of the greatest enemies facing our current system of nation-states. With the recent down-turn of the American economy it makes no sense, in my opinion, for Obama to concentrate so many resources into securing Iraq and Afghanistan when it is his own domestic population he needs to keep satisfied, or risk a hollowing out, and eventual collapse, of the country from within.
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digitalantichrist, on 11/10/2009 3:52:19 PM
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A great wee intro, there. The rise of 4GW has long been cited as a reason for not renewing nuclear weapons systems such as Trident.

The interesting thing regarding operation Fall Gelb is the way the German General Staff eventually decided to go with Manstein's plan. First they rejected it and devised a traditional line of attack which had been anticipated by the British and French, then after a plane crash and the discovery of the plans the Germans went back to Manstein's original plan. If there had been no plane crash its quite possible that the invasion of France would have played out very differently.
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Kinderplatz, on 11/10/2009 4:01:24 PM
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digitalantichrist wrote:
A great wee intro, there. The rise of 4GW has long been cited as a reason for not renewing nuclear weapons systems such as Trident.

The interesting thing regarding operation Fall Gelb is the way the German General Staff eventually decided to go with Manstein's plan. First they rejected it and devised a traditional line of attack which had been anticipated by the British and French, then after a plane crash and the discovery of the plans the Germans went back to Manstein's original plan. If there had been no plane crash its quite possible that the invasion of France would have played out very differently.


That's why I said that it had only been perfected doctrinally, as in action the Germans ended up making many traditional mistakes from the previous generation of thinking along the way and there were a number of times the invasion of France could have ended in failure, or a culmination of events at the very least could have ended things prematurely.

And as to the nukes all I can say is there are so many present in the world today that losing track of just one is easy. As of today I think the US military officially acknowledges something like 11 nuclear devices missing. World wide for all countries its like 92. The simplest way of not letting terrorists get hold of either these lost nukes or the poorly guarded ones is to make sure there are none in existence.
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digitalantichrist, on 11/10/2009 4:15:25 PM
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*grins* I'm looking forward to more of your editorials.
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synthesis, on 11/10/2009 6:03:20 PM
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Great read Kinderplatz. The evolution of warfare is something has become very apparent in the last few wars.

I believe that media has become integral in 4GW. When you consider Americas strength, most people do not consider what is labelled as 'soft power'. This power is the cultural influence that America weilds over foreign nations. Fourth GW, as you have discussed, is simply the method of combat attributed to a fighting entity that hold their prime motivator as being idealogical, religous or cultural. The absence of state legitimacy is something that has been fairly constant throughout the history of the arabic nations. This is partly why the rise of islam was so quick and successful.

Fighting against a religion validates it's existance. People never prize something so highly as when someone else is trying to take it away from them. Fighting against an ideal like islam, lends it legitimacy. That being said, 4GW should be about taking that legitimacy away from the ideal. You have to isolate it from the popular movements. Setting up a secular puppet government would never work in Iraq of Afganistan.

There is no easy solution in the mid east or in the Iraqi and afganistan conflicts. I actually believe that the best thing that the US can do is stay there for as long as possible. Endevour to control the media, start getting clerics on the US payroll. Even build some mosques if need be. The point shouldn't be to fight the ideal, rather to work within it to create a more moderate version. This takes time though, and requires the nation to create strong economy. Make the ideal obsolete, and the peoples loyalty will move away from it.
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quincy0191, on 11/10/2009 9:26:29 PM
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I also enjoyed this very much. I think an appropriate and oft-used name for 4GW is simple guerrilla warfare, which has been around for a long time. It's how we beat the British in the Revolutionary War (we did use some earlier tactics, but the reason we won IMO was because we were striking quick and hard into weak points with small forces that neutralized our biggest disadvantage: a lack of troops and resources). You're right; insurgency is simply a series of indiscriminate attacks against semi-random targets in an attempt to gain recognition through terror. It's terrorism from within, by the people against the people. Not really an apt definition for all forms of 4GW, though it works sometimes.

Guerrilla warfare is what we saw in Vietnam, and insurgency is what we've got now in Iraq. And personally, I think the only way to counter it is through infiltration; you can't go around blowing up everything or arresting everyone, and since everyone is potentially a an enemy, there's no way for a conventional army (1-3GW) to counter a guerrilla army (4GW). We'd be better off striking small forces with small forces; larger forces are needed for peacekeeping, but the only way to shut down terrorists is to get into cells. Taking out a leader like Osama bin Laden is no guarantee of victory, since terrorist cells are designed to be both subordinate and autonomous; they frequently take direction from a higher-up, but can operate on their own if necessary. Infiltration is also very difficult, as cells are tight-knit, and their small size indicates they don't do a lot of recruiting, making it difficult to get a spy in there. I really don't think there's an easy way for a state to counter a cell; the cell is far too maneuverable and resilient to be taken down the lumbering behemoth that is a nation/state. The best way to eliminate a terrorist is to wait them out and do your best to bring the fight to them; they typically aren't destructive enough to be lethal to a largish government, and if they can be kept occupied by fighting on their own turf then they can be outlasted. Of course, that takes lots of time and resources on the part of the nation/state, but it's really the only way to win.

Also, I don't think turning the people against the insurgents/guerrillas would mean victory; they would just take what they needed instead of asking for it. It would obviously be helpful, as you could use civilians to bait the enemy (they say "hey, come here, i'll supply you" and then your troops jump out and yell "SURPRISE!" and shoot a lot), but a guerrilla army doesn't need to have the cooperation of the people to continue to survive and fight.
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digitalantichrist, on 11/10/2009 9:56:48 PM
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Kinderplatz has summed up quite well what I'd been trying (in vain) to explain to EdRoberts a year or so ago about how our current policies with regard to the Taliban and Al Qaeda were useless.

In the same way that Kinderplatz uses the example of Hamas, I used the example of Northern Ireland and Sinn Fein/IRA. We defeated a form of 4GW/guerrilla warfare by contacting elements within the terrorist organisation who were 'moderate' and bringing them to the table for discussions. It was a slow process, and for many years the public knew nothing of it. Tony Blair likes to take credit, but in truth it was a process started off in John Major's premiership and was instigated by the security services. It was a bold move, and one that was all the more astounding when one considers that a few years beforehand the IRA had attempted a mass assassination of the British government.
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