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   Posted by quincy0191  Promoted 61 days 17 hours ago  8838 views  editorial  

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You know 'em, you hate 'em, but they don't give a shit.


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nodnarb232001, on 1/19/2010 3:37:09 PM
Total Posts: 2003, Joined: 8/20/2006
*stands up and applauds*
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Baphometslayer, on 1/19/2010 7:01:30 PM
Total Posts: 454, Joined: 5/5/2006
In this editorial:

No one knows anything about Information Technology.

Yes, running through millions and millions of transactions daily costs nothing because of the almighty God algorithm that can process 1 billion gajillion transactions all at once.

No, but really, it's REALLY expensive running their infrastructure. Perhaps they should make it policy that charitable donations should be free to transfer. Besides that one tid-bit, *applause*

The only sad part is that we as Americans are incapable of electing any competent politician to tackle common-sense issues.
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quincy0191, on 1/19/2010 8:54:20 PM
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@Baphometslayer:

Yes, running their infrastructure does cost a lot of money. But the vast majority of that is normal transactions which make them money on top of the fees they take to cover the cost of running the infrastructure. The amount they would lose by making charitable donations fee-free is likely relatively small (I doubt charity alone is making them buy more processing power, or hire more people to manage the servers), and that article did say they are actually making profits to the tune of $250 million a year on charitable donations through the fees imposed, so it's not like they're just taking what it costs to run the machines that process the transactions.

And I totally agree on the failure of the American people; the current government is so inefficient and corrupt because Americans are stupid, lazy, and have short attention spans. We don't know what we want most of the time, we don't want to find out which candidate will support our views when we do, and we change our mind every ten seconds based on what the media tells us to believe, because again we're too lazy to actually do research. So we just keep voting for the same idiots over and over, when we bother to vote at all.
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digitalantichrist, on 1/20/2010 6:09:39 PM
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Excellent. You've captured what is my usual drunken rant on those fucking bankers and tidied it up and made it presentable. Work well done.

You have no idea how much I hate these cunts and the cunts who bailed them out with no strings attached. Privatise profit and nationalise the risk?!?! They continually demand deregulation and arms-length government, but when they fuck everything up, they come running for government intervention and taxpayer's money. I'd string the lot of them up by the fucking balls if I could. No more lemon socialism! I want the real fucking deal!
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Shitler, on 1/21/2010 4:53:59 AM
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Awesome ed. Till this day I still don't understand why we haven't put these money hungry bastards in front of the firing squad.
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EdRoberts, on 1/25/2010 4:20:17 PM
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It is not at all the banker's nor Wall Street's fault - it is the socialist assholes you people elected to run our so-called government. Like Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, George Bush and the Clinton's...to name just a few - who ALLOWED them to do what they did.

Wake up people. Start by taking a look back at Andrew Jackson if you want to know how to handle banks, et-cetera.

Ah, btw, this article is sophomoric drivel...
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quincy0191, on 1/25/2010 4:34:24 PM
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EdRoberts wrote:
It is not at all the banker's nor Wall Street's fault - it is the socialist assholes you people elected to run our so-called government. Like Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, George Bush and the Clinton's...to name just a few - who ALLOWED them to do what they did.

Wake up people. Start by taking a look back at Andrew Jackson if you want to know how to handle banks, et-cetera.

Ah, btw, this article is sophomoric drivel...


You're correct that the NEOLIBERAL policies that have been implemented since the Reagan era allowed this to occur; the deregulation of industry in the name of growth has allowed the leeway necessary for these investors to misuse funds and play with the national economy for their benefit. And by the way, socialism would work in the opposite direction, increasing regulation to balance the distribution of resources, and likely preventing recklessness on the part of investing firms either directly or indirectly.

But it remains the investor's fault; just as you cannot blame the guy who sold the gun for a murder, you cannot blame the government for the conscious decision of these investors to pursue policy they either knew was detrimental to the long-term health of the economy or or didn't know because they are entirely incompetent. Any firm with a significant measure of influence over the national (and therefore global) economy should be subjected to strict regulation of their business practices to ensure nothing potentially disastrous is allowed to happen.
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digitalantichrist, on 1/25/2010 5:26:05 PM
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^ Agree. It was neoliberal economists such as Milton Friedman who inspired leaders such as Thatcher and Reagan who pushed for deregulation. It was the socialists who argued for regulation, groups such as the ICFI warned over a decade ago about the repeal of Glass-Steagal.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/nov1999/bank-n01.s
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In any case, the government acted at the behest of those who lobbied hardest for the deregulation of the financial industries - the financial industry!

Ed has just made an 'interesting' analysis on another thread about how the recent supreme court judgement is a good thing because the "Court reached only possible decision protecting YOUR rights". In reality the recent judgment simply extends the rights of corporations and allows for large industries to lobby government harder and with more money. In one hand he praises the system for allowing lobbying, in another he damns the system when the politicians act on the lobbying and when the results of those actions are seen! On both occasions he ignores the role of corporate power on political institutions and the fact that the whole fucking system is to blame.

Oh, Ed. I noticed you blamed Frank, Dodd and Clinton for 'allowing' the deregulation. Why not blame those who wrote the bill: Gramm, Leach and Bliley? Could it be because they're Republicans? Why not blame the Republicans as well? True the bill gathered bipartisan support, but both houses of the 106th congress were controlled by the Republicans, and more Democrats voted 'nay' than did Republicans. Why not blame the Republicans, Bliley was Chairman of the House Commerce Committee from 1995 to 2001. Follow the money and look at Gramm's role in the process.

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EdRoberts, on 1/26/2010 2:25:14 PM
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^

I did in fact mention "George Bush" who, to my everlasting shame, claimed to be a republican - and caused me personally to withdraw my registration from that party - aside from him, it would take too much space to list all the politicians responsible - however, those I mentioned were in leadership positions on these matters.

The facts are that we do not by definition have a democracy; and we no longer have a republic - - we have an OLIGARCHY. Which means, in fact, that all of us, democrats, republicans, liberals and conservatives - be fucked...
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digitalantichrist, on 1/26/2010 3:04:48 PM
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Yes, Bush is a Republican, but to name him is pointless, seeing as he wasn't President, a senator, or a congressman, and therefore, had no political influence in the matter. Its just telling that you name and shame those you dislike (and its always the same people), but somehow forget to mention those who penned the bill or chaired the relevant committees.

Oh, and of those you mentioned Frank may have been the ranking Democrat of the Financial Services Committee in 2003, but neither he nor Dodd held leadership positions in 1999 (Dodd was on Gramm's banking committee, but was non-ranking, he wasn't even chair of the DNC at that point). They weren't in leadership positions with regard to chairing the relevant committees.

Gramm (R-TX) was the chairman of the U.S. Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs from 1995 until 2000. Paul Sarbanes, D-MD, Ranking Member.

Leach (R-IA) was the Chairman of the House Banking and Financial Services Committee from 1995-2001. John J. LaFalce, D-NY, Ranking Member.

Bliley (R-VA) was Chairman of the House Commerce Committee from 1995 to 2001. John D. Dingell, D-MI, Ranking Member.

Gramm-Leach-Bliley Financial Services Modernization Act 1999.

As Sen. Gramm said in October 1999:

"I hope we will have an agreement. In the end, the administration has to decide if they want a bill or not. I want a bill. I've worked hard on this. Congressmen Leach and Bliley have worked hard. I believe this bill will be good for America.

"It may be that we have to wait fifteen months for a new administration to approve this bill. I don't want to do that. I will be disappointed if we have to do it, but I can live with it. In my mind there is no justification for the president to veto the bill, and I hope he won't."

They were determined to get it through no matter what, and were happy to wait for a new administration.
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