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Time Travel - Does it Imply Fate?   

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OmniNerd looks at the philosophy of time travel and questions whether the concept requires Fate and defies the notion of Free Will.


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VoidMaster, on 11/15/2006 12:17:14 AM
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Haven't read the article, but I will say this:

Time does not exist in and of itself, it is a human construct.
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edisin, on 11/15/2006 12:21:33 AM
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gun + head + trigger
blew my mind away ~
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MaczSuxWindowzSux, on 11/15/2006 12:21:47 AM
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If there is fate, then Quantum Theory can be solved, since it would then not be truly random.
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Lordz, on 11/15/2006 2:16:11 AM
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If we could travel forward in time, see what things were like, that would not necasary imply that they are bound to happen no matter what. It would not be impossible to go back to time to persuade someone to change their mind regarding whatever went wrong in the future. How I understand the writers theory is that if there was free will, if one should travel to the future, back again, and then back to the future, everything should be different, but I think that if no one in the past was any the wiser, they would make the same choices as in the future visited.
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antithesis, on 11/15/2006 2:35:36 AM
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Time is an artificial invention of the human mind, physically speaking, this entity is called "change". Change defines the progression of things in the physical universe, we use time as footsteps. The idea of free will to me, appears to be an illusion, numerous factors come into play when different paths are presented. Statistical probabilities rise and fall dramatically with pre-determined factors already in play and the cycle continues (the chaos effect for ex.), I don't understand how a person within his own healthy consciousness can choose something completely against most of such bewildering factors, and go against the current. Aren't we also considered a collective mass of such things set in motion on a playing field? The idea of a set time-line doesn't sound so bad, but not everything can be considered pre-determined. Chaos is the one thing that perhaps disrupts order and starts things radically anew. If we all turned immortal and lived for 2 million years into the future then in retrospect we can claim the answer to this eternal question, otherwise it'll always remain an eternal conundrum to the human mind, much like religion...
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VoidMaster, on 11/15/2006 3:17:23 AM
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The "future" and the "past" only exist in the human mind. "Now" is the only thing that is "real".

You can't travel into the future or back into the past because they don't exist in the physical Universe.

You can do it in your mind because thoughts aren't "real", you just think they are.

Time travel is impossible. Sorry.
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Neutralist, on 11/15/2006 3:34:38 AM
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I think that if we were ever able to travel through time, we would lose contact with the travler thinking that he is on the same planet with the same people. But really he is in a parallel universe, because if he did travel back in time, he would be able to see himself, and his family. Thus killing his grandfather would have no effect on his original reality. It would only alter the state of existance in that reality. So if someone went back in time, they would never be able to return to thier original universe. Just a thought to add to the pool.
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OrbPael, on 11/15/2006 3:40:53 AM
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While im truly surprised at the comments on this thread... having usualy read.. complete and utter bull on others I think it would be a good idea to point out that the reasonings and relationships go beyond measure and suggest of the universe as we know it rides on the concept of mind being outside of physics as we know it.


Since the mind can perceve time for whatever reason it is the mind that is the time traveler.. as the creator and keeper of the concept of time would mean that yes time travel is possible.. by any number of means and of whitch and changing of time would be up to the mind and thus within free will.
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Nymphidius, on 11/15/2006 4:09:06 AM
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I love all the comments so far. I guess I had to come in and ruin things.

Shouted.
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VoidMaster, on 11/15/2006 4:15:09 AM
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"Zero" and "Infinity" are also mind concepts ("realities") and do not exist in the Physical Universe, and the big one "god" (lower case deliberate) is also a mind concept.
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