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The Unconditionality of Love  

   Posted by motherlywisdom  Promoted 1192 days 22 hours ago  399 views   

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Unconditionality is necessary for true love, but most relationships aren’t actually based on love in its truest form. Couples, friends, and even siblings exhibit a lot of conditional behavior. But one relationship does seem to usually be unconditional.


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Scuzzlebutt, on 3/29/2006 2:31:04 PM
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"Masarji said he hadn't yet discovered a relationship that is categorically based on true love. The nearest relationship he'd found was that of a parent to a child, and I agree 100%.

Parents exhibit a love for their children that can't be explained except to say, "Well, they're parents." Funnily enough, that explanation usually suffices."
This article is probably not targeted at my demographic. I disagree that it "can't be explained". I would love it if the author wanted to hear me try, but I have been kind of volatile on the boards in the past two days, she's probably not interested in that.
Nevertheless, I shouted.
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sumeetjain, on 3/29/2006 4:06:18 PM
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Hi Scuzzlebutt,

I hope my post doesn't send the message that I don't want you to try to explain a parent's love. I'd like very much to hear what you think. Don't even worry about extending your alleged volatility :-)

Sumeet Jain
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Scuzzlebutt, on 3/29/2006 4:29:46 PM
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Hey! That's a pretty freakin' nice message. Thanks. I'll be back.
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lordzane, on 3/29/2006 5:13:36 PM
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How do you know you dont achieve true love when you die. I would love to think that love is life would mean true love in the afterlife.

Who know's....warm fuzzy
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Scuzzlebutt, on 3/29/2006 6:21:28 PM
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I don't know, but as far as I've seen, only mothers for their children, are capable of 'unconditional' love. It doesn't work right for anybody else unless they commit suicide, like lordzane is probably suggesting. jk zane. I'm gonna go steal some beer from my roommates.
But again, thank you Sumeet for the warm welcome. Earth would suck without girls.
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sumeetjain, on 3/29/2006 8:57:39 PM
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Hi LordZane,

I'm not sure what you mean. What does dying have to do with loving?

Scuzzlebutt, parents (Dads, too) are the only ones I can think of as well. I wish I could understand more precisely why, though.

Oh, and I'm not a female. But I do agree that Earth would suck without them.
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Scuzzlebutt, on 3/29/2006 9:26:36 PM
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hahahaha, sorry bout that. I suppose then it's your mother who's got the wisdom. And the color scheme of the site is a pretty soft one... which might lead one to believe, you got me.
I wondered why you were so reasonable hahahahaha. I think I'm kidding.

You're probably right that most dads would die for his son, but I'm thinking of, in the movie 'Dogma' where Lochi is saying the sins of the people sitting around the table at the Mooby corporation and one of the men 'disowned his gay son'. It seems to me that a lot of the time with fathers, pride will come first. I just remember that it didn't strike me as weird, whereas had it been a mother I think it would have. In a recent horror movie with Ethan Hunt and Angelina Jolie (by the way I didn't pick the movie), Ethan Hunt's character, a sexual serial-killer, is so horrible that even his mother wants him brought to justice and that is used to help the movie be considered edgy. In 'Good Son' (?) with Macauley Caulkin and Elijah Wood, Macauley is the mother's actual son and Elijah the cousin. Macauley is a bad seed and in the end of the movie the his mother has to drop her son to save Frodo Baggins, and that's the getter.

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Scuzzlebutt, on 3/29/2006 9:29:28 PM
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Think about that... (Peter Griffin, I'm thinking when he's with Bill Gates, Michael Eisner and Pewterschmidt and he says 'or herself' as they're gazing at the stars)
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sumeetjain, on 3/30/2006 12:36:19 AM
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No apology necessary. My sex isn't something I declare - it just happens to be written all over my face. I'd agree, however, that it is my mother with the wisdom. I'll pass along your regards.

I saw 'Dogma' a *long* time ago and barely remember who's in it - let alone who was what. But I did see 'Taking Lives' (the Hunt/Jolie flick you mentioned) recently. In it, the mother is indeed working alongside the authorities. And it does seem as though her primary motivation is to protect society - not her son. Furthermore (and more to your point), the movie would appear less real if the father was assisting the police/FBI.

But I think this has more to do with our perception of males as pride-driven creatures. Of course, that perception has a lot to do with what most males *try* to make us think. I believe the truth of the matter is that most males aren't as cold as they would like us to believe. I know a heterosexual star athlete for a top-ranked Division 1 school who is as compassionate and understanding as they come. But he can also chug beer better than anyone on the West coast and has no issues with people doubting his "manliness". People are a naturally deceptive species, and I think most females and males are deceptive about different things. I'll leave it to you to ellaborate on what your sex deceives us on, but I'll state for the record that males are severely deceptive about their manliness. For the quotebook, "Manliness is the condition of hiding femininity behind alcohol, violence, vulgarity, and cockiness." By that definition, most men I know are very manly.
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Scuzzlebutt, on 4/11/2006 10:12:44 AM
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Hey man. I didn't even see your response until just now because I came to tell you about another article.
I guess I thought mine was the '9'th comment. Sorry.

If you're still checking this, otherwise I might send a quick email, on the article 'Bizarre Baby born in Nepal', 'Stylborn' makes a funny reference to an old Bugs Bunny cartoon about fifty comments down. You should check out that article.
I haven't read completely, yet, your comment. while that from the quotebook is somewhat fun and true for some cases, manliness is real and way more important than you're treating it :). When you're with your guy friends, you pool agreement on archetypal manliness. Just cause everybody is imperfect and not-hot in reality a lot of the time, doesn't mean the alpha male is bullcrap or something. In fact, :), I'm quite well-versed on the issue, and I'd be happy to lay it down, but I might be able to sell-out to somebody like the CIA whom might give me money for it or something :).
Sorry to get a little crazy sauce on you.
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