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Pretty much everyone’s heard about the evil/saintly hacker who stole/liberated thousands of emails from a server at the University of East Anglia in England. Most publicized is the use of the word “trick” by one of the scientists when referring to climate data that did not indicate warming; essentially, the individual wished to hide the fact that there was no warming during a given period, via “creative statistics” (my term, not theirs).

Plenty of climate change skeptics have used this information as a dagger to try and stab the global warming argument and at least land it in the hospital. They claim that this is evidence global warming is a fraud, a hoax, and that a bunch of climatologists are lying to us and trying to spend a bunch of money we don’t have somewhere it’s not needed. At the very least, the effects are exaggerated, and it’s not nearly as dire a problem as we’ve been lead to believe. Look: they tried to defraud the world by manipulating data!

But the truth is there’s really no evidence they actually manipulated anything. And personally, I’ve got no problem with these scientists trying to figure out how to make a more convincing argument, and if they had to resort to biased presentations and interpretations of data, then so be it. Because they had to.

Let’s think about this for a minute: the vast majority of scientists are in concerted agreement that global warming is a major problem and that it’s happening right now (I’m not going to link that, go Google it). And yet, there are a lot of people in the media, without the training to properly evaluate the data, who are nonetheless seriously questioning whether this is actually an issue (again, go Google it or watch any report on global warming ever). So what the hell do they do? When they present the facts clearly and without bias, the media stirs in all their private opinions and color the information, creating controversy where there is none.

And it’s not like this is an issue they can just say “Fine, you want to create controversy and act like we’re not sure, that’s okay, whatever.” Because if they’re right, we have a window of opportunity here where we can reverse the problem, and we will not have that window forever. We have to reestablish our balance with nature before our arrogance in thinking that we are all powerful crushes us. If we are not willing to listen to reason because sensation speaks so much louder, these scientists probably feel have a responsibility to overstate the case for global warming to make us listen; if they don’t, and global warming ends up fundamentally changing the nature of the environment, we as a species could die. I think that manipulating some data is worth saving the entire species. And even Glenn Beck probably agrees with that; I’m sure he’s manipulated data for far less noble causes than that.

Then, of course, the issue becomes the quintessential “Is global warming really happening? Is it dangerous?” to which we’ve heard a resounding “YES!” for the last several years. Well, let’s consider the second question first: global warming would result in the melting of a lot of the ice at both poles, flooding a lot of land near the coasts, which just happen to be some of the most populated areas on the planet; we’ve all seen Al Gore’s slideshow flood Florida and the Bay Area and plenty of other places. A dramatic increase in temperature would likely also throw off the equilibrium of any ecosystem we haven’t already destroyed, and considering our species evolved with a relatively consistent temperature, we’re pretty dependent on that staying the same for our continued survival; we’re good enough at building cooling systems to keep ourselves alive, but the things we eat might not be so lucky, and eventually, that could become a problem. There are plenty of other reasons why a serious shift in global temperature could be disastrous, from the heat wave that killed a ton of people in Europe in 2003 to a shutdown of the current running through the North Atlantic which would cover a lot of the northern hemisphere in ice. Global warming is pretty obviously pretty fucking dangerous.

So are we causing it? That’s really an irrelevant question; a better question is “Who the hell cares if we’re causing it?” Whether or not we are contributing to global warming is a serious question, but we need to go green anyway. Not only because the potential outcomes favor such an action, but because we have been fundamentally out of balance with nature for quite some time now. We have been taking more than we’ve been giving back, and that can only go on for so long before we run out of resources; the only reason we haven’t already is because it’ll take us a little longer than a century to deplete the planet of a pile it’s spent eons building. The costs of environmentalism now are high, but the return is the continued existence and prosperity of the human race. Personally, I’m willing to recycle and let some scientists “manipulate” data to make sure the species doesn’t die out, but then again I’m a hippie tree-hugging environmentalist weirdo or something.





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nodnarb232001, on 2/9/2010 12:05:53 PM
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I'm going to have to ask you, on behalf of everyone, to never reference Nelly in an editorial title ever again. Thank you- The Universe.
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quincy0191, on 2/9/2010 1:30:53 PM
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nodnarb232001 wrote:
I'm going to have to ask you, on behalf of everyone, to never reference Nelly in an editorial title ever again. Thank you- The Universe.


It was an ironic title, not a serious one.
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synthesis, on 2/9/2010 2:42:20 PM
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As an engineer, I've always thought that the issue of global warming has hijacked and clouded the obvious and more prevelant issue of sustainability. The vivacity of the warming argument and mans contribution to it is up for debate. I recognise that the scientific community mostly believes that the world is warming up because we are burning fossil fuels.

However, we simply do not know enough about how the world's cycles work. Our understanding of the natural world is still very limited regardless of how far we have come in other technological areas.

Of course, the argument can be made to err on the side of caution. This makes complete sense to me. The condition that the world is currently in, is the one that is most suited to our continued survival. Anything that has the capacity to upset the balance should be adressed. This argument means little however, to the greater swath of humanity that rely on our current energy systems to survive and prosper. That your 'possibly' saving the environment for future generations will mean little to a man who can no longer put food on the table, or the CEO that has seen his profits plummet.

This is why I am annoyed with Global Warming. It has many ifs, buts, and maybes involved. We've created a debate that has hijacked all other green movements. It's like all the big green issues of the 70's 80's and 90's have been whitewashed to make way for this supposed doomsday prediction that all those people in white coats waste time arguing about.

Conservation, deforestation, desertification, water supply and quality, population growth, food production, increasing frequency of natural disasters, farmland degredation, fish stocks, coral reefs shrinking, specie extinctions, urbanisation and sprawl, over consumption etc... Or in a single word SUSTAINABILITY.
These are the real issues, and they have been trumped by this bullshit, overhyped debate, that the apocalypse is coming because we're burning carbon! To tell you the truth it almost feels like a red herring.

People try to tell me the two are connected. That in order to create a more sustainable environment we have to combat global warming. This sounds like bullshit to me.

The top 6 wealthiest corperations in the world are all in the fossil fuel business. I think that it is likely that the governments are using this debate as a means of regaining some leverage over these powerful corporations, and legitimising additional taxes. If the people or the governments were serious about mitigating the effects that humanity is having on our natural environment we would be targeting the issue of sustainability instead of chasing the money of the corporations. Copenhagen was a giant wankfest that sole purpose was an effort to curb the power of big business.
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EvilConservative, on 2/10/2010 6:41:53 AM
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Well said Synthesis. The environment must be protected and sustainability of natural resources must be addressed, but not at the cost of jobs and rocketing prices across the market. People are starving and we are using corn to make ethanol for our cars. People are having a hard time making ends meat, but we continue to pose more draconian "green" taxes and requirements that increase the prices of products for end consumers across the board.
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shinrhys, on 2/10/2010 8:50:25 AM
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Well said synthesis.

Those are pretty much the thoughts I've had about this whole thing.. People are forgetting we're fucking up the entire ecosystem.. idiots.
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quincy0191, on 2/10/2010 2:40:11 PM
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@synthesis:

My last paragraph did address the sustainability issue somewhat, and honestly I do see the solution of global warming as a byproduct of a better environmental policy geared primarily toward maintaining the balance with nature (which we have lost, and must regain) I mentioned a couple of times. But global warming is the thing that will get people's attention; they clearly have little interest in buying the argument that we should be using renewable resources because the alternative is to run out. Telling them that we'll all die in ten years if we don't do something seems to be a lot more persuasive; the dire consequences of global warming get a lot more attention than the people who point out that we're not going to have any fossil fuels in fifty years or sooner, so we'd better start building wind farms and solar power plants damned soon. Plus, I did want to talk more about global warming and the "manipulation" of data and the political fallout from that, so the sustainability thing was more of a tangent than a main point.
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nodnarb232001, on 2/10/2010 11:01:22 PM
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quincy0191 wrote:
nodnarb232001 wrote:
I'm going to have to ask you, on behalf of everyone, to never reference Nelly in an editorial title ever again. Thank you- The Universe.


It was an ironic title, not a serious one.


Sarcasm quincy. Sar. Ca. Sm.
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