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Reasons For The Recession Part 2: U.S. Steel   

   Posted by quincy0191  Promoted 453 days 8 hours ago  2648 views

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The title here is slightly misleading; U.S. Steel isn’t the major culprit here, it’s just a great example of what yet another problem is.


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digitalantichrist, on 12/18/2008 4:14:33 PM
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And your second piece gives us a prime illustration of why I think the US and the UK are in for serious problems as compared to other industrialised nations... they've both stopped being primarily manufacturing nations, are importing instead of exporting nations, have built up massive trade deficits, and are overly reliant on the financial markets (which they deregulated and appeased). We have no real manufacturing industry now in the UK; no coal industry, no steel industry, no car industry... everything was privatised and eventually sold off to foreign companies who have moved manufacturing to China or India. Shafted again and again by Friedman, Hayek and Thatcherism.
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DeezNuts, on 12/19/2008 3:05:02 AM
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"After ninety years in the business, and still one of the largest steel producers in the world, they sold off all their steel assets, changed their name to USX, and became a financial company."

Wow. USS became USX because of the acquisition of Marathon Oil and a recapitalization. The new tag represented a diversified business model, not because they stopped production. The name changed occurred in 1986, by the way, not in 1991.

"Companies, figure your shit out like U.S. Steel (they went back to making steel in 2005)"

USS acquired all of Slovakian steel-making operations in 2000. USS purchased National Steel in 2003 and also in 2003 acquired Serbian steel-making operations. In fact, USS and Marathon began operating independently in 2002. How did they function as a company if they bought steel facilities and didn't use them? Count them:

http://www.ussteel.com/corp/facilities/facilities.htm

24 steel facilities world-wide. A struggling financial company bought all this in 2-3 years? You may want to do a little more research.

US Steel never, ever stopped making steel. I live in Chicago and travel to MI regularly. Trust me, Gary has been pumping out steel for as long as I've been alive. You can see it off the Interstate.

All of this information can be found on the Wikipedia entry or straight from the horse's mouth, on their company website.

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digitalantichrist, on 12/19/2008 8:52:04 AM
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^ because the wiki is the source of all truth ;)

The Royal Bank of Scotland bought shed-loads of businneses, Dutch lender ABN Amro Holding NV, for example... it is entirely possible in this world of wacky market capitalisation to buy out massive companies and still be struggling in reality. I could just have easily have cited HBOS, or Ford, Morgan Stanley, Lehman or any number of other companies who have bought more than they could actually afford at that time.

That said, hopefully US Steel has a great future ahead of them. It'll be interesting to see the impact of the economic down-turn in China on US Steel's profits, which have of late been booming due to trade with China (among others).

I just wish the UK had a booming steel industry, as we did of olde... Who owns British Steel now? Tata Steel of India... Tata also own Jaguar & Land Rover having bought them from Ford this year, and now Tata are asking for a bail-out from the British government to keep those car companies afloat. Cheeky blighters.
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DeezNuts, on 12/19/2008 10:12:47 AM
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^ Wikipedia is a good enough source to tell you if an international corporation stopped operations for fourteen years. Like I said, I live in the area. That company never stopped making steel.
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quincy0191, on 12/19/2008 11:26:32 AM
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^I don't know what Wikipedia's got, but I'm guessing the history professor that told me this has got his shit together a little more than Wikipedia. That said, I may have 2005 wrong; I don't remember exactly which year it was, but I'm pretty sure it was then. It's pretty irrelevant to the point. In fact, whether U.S. Steel actually ever stopped making steel is pretty irrelevant to the point. The point is that America needs to have the industrial base that made it strong for so long, or these recessions are going to keep happening because the economy is unstable when it's financially based.

Probably could have found a better example though, you're right about that.
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finalflash, on 12/19/2008 11:30:44 AM
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^They didn't stop that portion of their business, I guess he just worded it wrong. They diverted too much of their attention to finance, and have since made the same mistakes as all the other financial institutions. The one rule that holds true now is that any financial company that is excessively quite, it dead already.

The point of the article was kinda lost in the example. Its not USS's fault, it is the fault of their mentality. To reduce a tangible business of making something for making money from nothing instead. It also goes to highlight how much easier the latter is to do in the US and how much of a problem that can be if everyone is doing just that.
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finalflash, on 12/19/2008 11:31:57 AM
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Damn, I should really post comments faster.
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quincy0191, on 12/19/2008 1:02:26 PM
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It's ok, you win anyway:

"Its not USS's fault, it is the fault of their mentality. To reduce a tangible business of making something for making money from nothing instead. It also goes to highlight how much easier the latter is to do in the US and how much of a problem that can be if everyone is doing just that."

Victory. Someone understands what I'm trying to say.
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waffleman, on 12/19/2008 9:39:43 PM
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A quick comment about American companies dropping like rocks. Are you sure that a lot of these companies didn't just drop American workers like rocks? I'll give an example or two off of the top of my head. I used to hunt a lot and thus purchased Bushnell Scopes and Binoculars. I've noticed that they aren't made in the US anymore, and no longer carry the lifetime warranty as well. They used to be a couple of decades ago! Is it possible that the once thriving American industrial base bailed out on America chasing the lure of cheap labor overseas?

I live in NB Canada, and I know for a fact that there are several decent paying call centers here that service the US. Exxon is one. AOl was here until about six months ago when their profits tumbled and they closed this call center. Asurion based in Missouri is another one. There are 37 call centers in my city alone employing thousands. These Call centers employing thousands are here for one reason. Cheap labor costs. They don't care about Americans or their well being. They care about the buck,period. That's one problem facing Americans.
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cadpig, on 12/22/2008 6:02:26 AM
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"They care about the buck,period. That's one problem facing Americans."

Pretty much sums it up..

"And your second piece gives us a prime illustration of why I think the US and the UK are in for serious problems as compared to other industrialised nations... they've both stopped being primarily manufacturing nations, are importing instead of exporting nations, have built up massive trade deficits, and are overly reliant on the financial markets (which they deregulated and appeased)."

Bingo!!! I agree 100%

Have to shout this one. I'm interested in this series. Please keep posting.
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