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Monday Governor Ed Rendell decided to partially shut down the PA state government in response to budget disputes with the legislature. Highway maintenance will be shut down, parks and museums will close, licensing functions will be stopped, the lights of the capitol building will be turned off, and… chaos will ensue?


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BuhWeet, on 7/10/2007 1:23:44 PM
Total Posts: 56, Joined: 5/26/2007
A computer for everyone to vote on, well funded intelligence services and 'powerless' administrators to oversee the organisation of vote, legislation, etc. Everything else should be local level.

We can only dream :)
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Psidust42, on 7/10/2007 1:29:44 PM
Total Posts: 131, Joined: 6/7/2006
"Say goodbye to Toucan Sam. We can't advertise sugary food to children either!!!"


:( I want my Frankenberry back.
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Caedyrn, on 7/10/2007 2:02:12 PM
Total Posts: 282, Joined: 6/10/2006
The government that governs least is that which governs best
-who said that?, can't remember.
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Beeker, on 7/10/2007 2:55:22 PM
Total Posts: 877, Joined: 9/19/2006
Anyone who is against regulation should remember histroy. Read "The Jungle" for christsakes, while a bit preachy, all the factory incidents contained therein were actual events that happened en masse. That book actually forced TR to introduce sweeping oversight which was the Safe Food and Drug Act.

If you don't want to follow the rules to make everything safe, don't go into business. It's called "work" for a reason.

~Cheers
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MrDerp, on 7/10/2007 4:25:27 PM
Total Posts: 265, Joined: 3/19/2007
^good point.
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Trooper111k, on 7/10/2007 5:05:55 PM
Total Posts: 96, Joined: 3/28/2007
''Do you have evidence to back up this claim? ''

Evidence? I have none for there wasn't any country who was purely libertarian. But, economical libertarianism was used to its fullest during the industrial revolution up to the krash of 1929. And that, is all the evidence I need. A total lack of regulation brought all the horror and the atrocities of this period, and we all ahve to thank unchecked corporations for this. The infamous krash itself, is but a freak child of libertarianism. I don't remember who said ''Libertarianism is anarchy for the richs'', but he was damn right.
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Fido, on 7/10/2007 6:25:49 PM
Total Posts: 1636, Joined: 1/3/2007
People bitch and want action, people insist government is too controlling, People are fucked.

Do you want an overseer, or not?

It's good, omg, it's bad. They come hand in hand, you can't cherry pick government.
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Dock, on 7/10/2007 7:37:42 PM
Total Posts: 1129, Joined: 11/12/2005
Regulatory organizations to provide "oversight" to industry, in a limited but definite form, are very necessary.

The problem occurs when they get too bloated and incompetent. That raises the necessity of a "Watcher for the watcher".

From time to time, some things are bound to be missed. It's surely better than nothing or trusting people -without government- to have personal interest curbed enough by the notion of altruism to look out for your best interest.

If that was the case government would not be necessary. And as we know, it is very necessary for a society that wants to progress.
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EternalNite, on 7/10/2007 9:33:42 PM
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"Regulatory organizations to provide "oversight" to industry, in a limited but definite form, are very necessary."

Why do they have to be government organizations? Underwriters Labs certifies ever appliance you have in your house. If it isn't certified, it isn't sold at a major retail chain.
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Dock, on 7/10/2007 11:18:49 PM
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@ EternalNite

The purpose of modern Western government is to curb the negative nature and habits of mankind, for the progress of society and protection of individuals. Despite the fact that corruption and incompetence finds its way to many government offices, it is a far better option than handing off responsibilities to privatized groups.

Such a step would represent de-evolution of society. What's needed in modern times is proper government over-sight, and even more importantly, a more powerful media to hold officials in government to set-standards, and accountability, with the power of attention and spotlight.
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